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Saturday, March 29, 2014

A lesson from Meredith?

There is an article in today's Laconia Daily Sun on the "allusive"( actually I think "elusive" is the correct word) Rt 3 and Rt 25 intersection solution in Meredith. Anyone who drives in that area especially during peak seasons is aware of the horrendous traffic tie ups with vehicles backed up sometimes  for a few miles. Meredith wasn't always the way it is today. As the town grew in the past 25 years or so and became a destination instead of just a pass through , traffic volumes increased locally. Combine that with the progressive increase in East-West volume on Rt 25,  and it was no surprise that the intersection was once ranked  by AAA as the 17th worst intersection in the country.
The NH DOT had big scale plans to work on the entire area from Rt 104 to nearly the Center Harbor line, but it seems that the only money available is about $5 Million which may not even be sufficient to improve the actual intersection.
Meredith does have the advantage of the village area being far back from the main highway. Unlike Moultonboro, it's "main street" is not also a major and vital traffic corridor. That is something we just can't ignore here in Moultonboro. We are forced to think in terms of mitigating the traffic impact both current and future.
The lesson for us perhaps is that if the village develops with more commercial and tourist business, we will also see more traffic stopping, turning, parking etc. The flow of vehicles including big trucks will also continue to increase through the village. It's the proverbial elephant in the room.
Whatever we decide for the future of the village, Rt 25 just won't go away.


Tom Howard said...

Agreed, Mr. M.B.; our village must co-exist with Route 25. And we do need to address the mitigation of traffic impacts current and future. So, let's all get behind the work of the Village Vision Committee and help them to develop a plan that is compelling enough to engage the State of NH D.O.T. in helping us achieve our vision. Let's not allow Route 25 to dictate what our village does or does not become.

Joe Cormier/jcormier2@myfairpoint.net said...

Having attended the last meeting, and there was something about, not having enough homework for the committee volunteers ...

From another forum :


NH DOT info; cf Meredith & MoBo


Summary Final report:


Summary Report Appendices


Enough Already! said...

Come Joe, enough with the links. One's ok but 4? Either write something we can read and understand or stop cluttering up the blog!

Joe Cormier/jcormier2@myfairpoint.net said...

Not meaning to clutter the blog.

I, personally, find it easier to post the URL, if the site is data, graphic, picture heavy, and doesn't need commentary ... read it for yourself!

Each of the four URLs, above, have headers, indicating the subject matter ... if the reader is interested in further review.

I was expecting comments that I "talk too much"!

I don't know what you're using for a browser. I've got both Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox, open together, most all of time and can switch back and forth, if convenient.

I find using Firefox (free download) easier to use. Just underline the URL (it gets highlighted), enter, and voila ... you're reading the subject matter.

Internet Explorer is a "copy and paste" to the address block.

I'm not trying to be demeaning!

The thought occurred that, maybe, you're not familiar with "copy and paste" or something like that.

You can "Google" and I'm sure you'll find help.

Try it on this one. Another DOT URL ...


Bring you're mouse over the URL ... left click and drag the mouse over the URL; right click ... either "open link" if Firefox or "copy" if IE. If IE go to address box and "paste"; enter.

I'm not trying to be cute ... but helpful.

I find this so much more accurate and informative when presenting "works" or studies etc.

I doubt that I can be accused of not speaking my piece.

It should take a lot longer for one of the PDF files to download, than to have previewed the four sites!

You can always bypass the comments that have many URL's.

Bless you, if you can put up with of my rants.

Eric Taussig said...

The reality of Rte 25 and the State DOT is that they will not approve any plan that will impede traffic flow any further. In that regard they are probably correct as their constituency is much larger than the Village Vision Committee or residents of Moultonboro.

In my view, any "Village Vision" cannot parochially exclude the rest of the Route 25 corridor and must include concurrent planning that rationalizes the further build out of the remainder of the Route 25 corridor. That means insuring that further commercial development on Rte 25 does not further impede traffic flow, exacerbate safety.

What the Committee should be doing is thinking "out of the box". As Route 25 will always exist as a thoroughfare with substantial traffic, efforts should be made to shift local and Moultonboro destination traffic off the road, limit turns in the Village zone and perhaps look at the creation of one or two new parallel streets north and/or south of Rte 25 to access local establishments from Rte 109 North to Blake Rd, to possibly wall-off Rte 25 with limited access and one or two cross walks with a blinker light and access to establishment parking via the parallel road or roads. Creating a buffer of 10 to 15 feet on each side of Rte 25 so that the road is somewhat isolated from the village and access is redirected from parking lots in the rear accessed from Holland St. and an extended Blake Road that allows pedestrians to then walk to the front entrances of the various commercial establishments.

While it may be difficult visualize a design such as that suggested above, I can assure you that other Towns have designed their centers with a main road still going directly through town but with an isolation factor by limiting turns and access to parking, eliminating curb cuts and redirecting local traffic to parallel streets.

In my view a comprehensive well thought out design which addresses (1) the entire corridor's build out potential rationally, and (2) a village plan that recognizes the reality of the Rte 25 corridor and isolates it in an attractive and accessible manner.

Joe Cormier/jcormier2@myfairpoint.net said...

UPS saves millions (dollars and gallons) by simply planning and executing "no left turns"!

"As a result, UPS:

Saved 10 million gallons of gas
Reduced CO2 emissions by 100,000 metric tons, equivalent to 5,300 passenger cars off the road for an entire year."


Funding Postponed.. said...

N H DOT announced funding priorities for the next five years, and put the Red Hill Rt 25 tunnel into the 5 to 10 year bracket. First priority was 4 more northbound lanes for 93 between Nashua and Concord.. We did get a promise tho, that when traffic is plugged solid from Nashua to Meredith, they will start a study. Plans are in the works for another gas tax hike, to fund this study.

Bridge Toll?? said...

Was there any word on the toll plaza for the Long Island bridge? That was part of the funding...

Joe Cormier/jcormier2@myfairpoint.net said...

"Was there any word on the toll plaza for the Long Island bridge? That was part of the funding..."

Inexpedient to legislate!

... at least till ice out.

They do not want the fishermen (and fisherwomen)to avoid the toll by sliding on the ice and cross without paying!