"Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments.
Alexander Hamilton

Thursday, October 1, 2015

Another tragic shooting.

Sad news out of Oregon. Once again, dozens of people shot, at least 10 fatally. Roseburg, Oregon. It can happen anywhere. Three pistols and one rifle. We lament the tragedy, make shrines to those lost, grieve along with families and loved ones, and say we need to do something to prevent these tragedies from ever occurring again. But we don't do anything. "Somehow this has become routine. The reporting is routine. My response here at this podium ends up being routine, the conversation in the aftermath of it. We've become numb to this. Our thoughts and prayers are not enough. It's not enough. It does not capture the heartache and grief and anger that we should feel, and it does nothing to prevent this carnage from being inflicted someplace else in America -- next week, or a couple months from now." President Obama.  " This is another black mark for all Americans. People around the world must wonder what's really going on in the land of the free?" Bill O'Reilly.
We spend countless hours and money  on arguing whether people of the same sex can get married, but don't dare mention measures to keep guns out of the hands of those that should never access to guns and killed children and loved ones.  Not to worry. In a few days we will forget all about Roseburg until it becomes a reference when the next mass murder occurs. 

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am not for total gun control but reasonable gun control. I have .22 rifle. I am against hand guns and large capacity, auto/semi-auto rifles. All handguns should require strict licensing. The framers of the Constitution would be simply amazed at the technology that developed starting some almost one hundred years after their time. This is another nut that shouldn't have access to firearms but did. He had six with him according to the news. I'm totally with the Blogger on this one.

Terence C. Jatko said...

Anon. on October the second at 5:53 stumbles into a grain of truth:" This is another nut that shouldn't have access to firearms but did." This pretty much sums up the recent mass shootings.

I wonder if anon. realizes that more people are killed annually by each category of weapon such as "blunt objects" (hammers and clubs) or "personal weapons" (hands, feet) than by those scary "large capacity, auto/semi-auto rifles."? Does he/she realize that automatic rifles, that is machine guns, guns that will fire multiple rounds with one trigger pull, have been strictly regulated since the thirties? Does anon. realize that city locales in which all those firearm regulations he/she dreams of exist have stratospheric crime rates?

For the research challenged among you, here's a link:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Apparently facts and common sense are no longer requirements for political discussion.

Guns are not the answer said...

I don't feel that people carrying guns anywhere they want is the answer to gun violence. I can't understand the rationale of untrained people with a concealed weapon helping. Insanity. We're becoming the wild, wild, west and the NRA is leading the sheep to slaughter.

Anonymous said...

The people that point to other objects being used to kill people more frequently than guns and therefore dismiss any form of gun control would not hesitate to adopt any measure that would save taxpayer dollars, no matter how small an amount.

Terence C. Jatko said...

You anti-gunners can go with your emotions, I'll stick with facts:

http://toprightnews.com/this-chart-of-gun-violence-destroys-liberal-gun-control-arguments/

Anonymous said...

Here are some real facts that don't support the "upper right" link from Mr. Jatcko: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/01/shooting-in-oregon-11-essential-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-america/#6

Joseph Cormier said...

I'm not saying I support any of the following videos ... just saying!

Gun control ... = only the chosen few (Gov't) can have guns ... besides criminals (not outlaws) ... and other nuts ... that the Gov't doesn't address and fix.

"Proponents of gun control generally argue that widespread gun ownership increases the danger of gun-related crime, homicide, and suicide.[1] Opponents argue that gun control does not reduce gun-related injuries, murder, or suicide, and some argue that certain regulations violate individual liberties."

Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control


2012 video; and here we are almost into 2016!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mXRmRxTC5E

A favorite movie trailer that I happen to like, that shows guns used by opposing parties. Strange that political parties align themselves with causes. Might be solution in Congress!

Heading to Manchester tomorrow, with the wife, to spend some time at the No Labels conference. Curious to see how "heavy hitters" from the Democrats and the Republicans will be in the same area together, and handle themselves. Hope everyone leaves their guns at the door. There are nuts in both parties. Then again, it could be worse. The conference could be held in Concord!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuaSi-H0oGY



Anonymous said...

I, for one, am in favor of gun control of hand guns and automatic weapons, not rifles. Do you remember the 8 year boy killed firing an Uzi at a gun range in Mass a few years ago? There were a few shootings this summer by 2 to 4 year olds resulting in deaths. Or do you remember the girl, possibly 10, that killed the instructor in Arizona? I don't want to go to a public function and potentially have an armed nut in the audience (think student body also ) with me. Rifles are highly visible, MAC 10s are not.

Anonymous said...

Well, Joe, if we don't hear from you, we will know what happened. Don't get caught in the middle of the heavy hitters!

Gereral kalashnikov said...

The intent of the 2A is clear. The framers wanted the people to have at least equal fire power to prevent/stop tyrannical over-reach by a corrupt gov. The solution to what little gun trouble we have today, And yes the numbers are relatively small compared with all the other things that kill people, is to model our fire arms safety protocol after a nation who has large quantities of fire arms with little trouble such as Sweden. I personally would support mandatory fire arms safety training in public and private schools along with mandatory ownership of protectionary type weapons in every home with stiff penalties for neglect and abuse of the same.
Fire arms are tools, much like a knife in the kitchen. We teach our children how to use and handle knives, why not fire arms?

Sweden? said...

"Guns are capable of harmful and fatal consequences;and gun laws are quite stringent in Sweden. To be a gun owner requires a license, and this is tightly controlled by regulations. A potential gun owner needs to meet requirements to be granted a license. Various forms of self-defence weapons or deadly weapons such as pepper-spray to full-automatic machine guns are technically legal. However, most licenses for gun ownership are for hunters, as wild life hunting is highly in vogue in this country.
The weapons law is not applied to air guns and similar weapons with a projectile energy less than 10 joules at the end of barrel. Such minor weapons do not require a license and are available for purchase by anyone over the age of 18 years. This is also relevant for breech-loading rifles manufactured prior to 1890.
To apply and obtain a gun license, the perspective gun owner approaches the local police. The applicant must be in good standing and at least 18 years old. There may be exceptions for a younger aged applicant to be granted a license. The applicant must be a member of an approved shooting club for at least six months or have passed a hunting examination (jägarexamen). Being a member of a shooting club is the most utilized route to legally acquire pistols for sport shooting, while passing a hunting exam, is for hunting rifles. Note: a gun registered for sport shooting may not be used in hunting. However a licensed gun user is allowed to hunt without passing a hunting exam, if you are chaperoned (accompanied and guided) by someone that has passed that exam.
From the age of 15 years, one may take the hunting exam. It is lawful for a person with a gun license to lend his or her gun to a person at least 15 years and older, under supervision. A Swede may be given a license to own up to six hunting rifles, ten pistols or a combination of eight rifles and pistols. There would need to be a valid reason for ownership of more firearms. It is stipulated that all firearms are to be stored/kept in an approved gun safe.
It is illegal for a civilian in Sweden to carry a firearm, unless for a specific, legal purpose;such as hunting or attending shooting ranges. To transport firearms, there are rules to adhere to;the general regulations are that the gun must be unloaded, hidden and transported in a safe and secure way under supervision.
Besides hunting, another common reason for gun ownership in Sweden is collecting. The gun collector must have a clearly stated interest and may begin another collection if he or she has collected for several years and has shown a great interest in gun history. A collection of guns that can be of criminal interest, such as pistols or submachine guns, will lead the police to insist on a very high safety level on the storing of such guns (including security windows and vault doors). Gun ownership may also be granted for reasons of sentimental value or as decoration. It is considered a privilege, rather than a right, to own a firearm in Sweden"

Anonymous said...

The solution to gun violence is more guns? Yah, sure. That will stop the carnage.

Terence C. Jatko said...

To Sweden? : Here are gun regulations for Norway, quite similar to Sweden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway


Remember this?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

The point being that Norway had strict "gun control", the weapons were obtained legally, and the event happened anyway. The common factor in all these events is the mentally deranged shooter. It's time to focus on the cause, not propose more useless restrictions that criminals and the insane won't follow anyway.