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Monday, January 25, 2016

Second Informational Session for Proposed Community Center

Following is from the Town News and Announcements. Since the BoS will have a work session prior to this meeting (beginning at 4pm) we will not be as time limited as the first session. Also as a reminder there will be a public bond hearing on February 4th at 6:30pm followed by the 2016 Budget hearing at 7pm. 


Important Information Session
Proposed Community Center
 Thursday, January 28, 2016
6:00pm
Town Hall
The purposed of this session is to discuss the site, floorplan and design
of the proposed project and not to discuss/debate the pros or cons of
building the facility which will be discussed at the bond and budget
hearings on February 4th, 2016.
Please come and express thoughts and ideas on this important
community project.
If the project is approved at town meeting additional info sessions will
be held before a final design is determined.

13 comments:

Tom Foolery said...

Yep, "Please come and express thoughts and ideas".... but don't tell us we don't need it to begin with.

Anonymous said...

?? double negative TF

Moultonboro Blogger said...

If you want information on this issue, come to the meeting Thursday and/or contact our Town administrator.

Fed Up With Being Inconvenienced said...

I really don't understand why the BoS always schedules these "informational sessions' at dinner time. Many taxpayers actually work in order to pay taxes and do not want to go to meetings at dinner time. I for one would rather have an informational meeting at 8 pm after dinner or on a Saturday morning.

Even the hearing on this matter, which appears now combined with a budget meeting based on the Hearing Notice is scheduled for just half an hour at 6:30 pm, much too early for many voters and taxpayers

On an important matter, which will cost more than 6 million dollars, lets have informational meetings and hearings at times when people can be present. It is if the BoS has decided to inconvenience citizens by making certain to always have these meetings/hearings at inconvenient times.

Moultonboro Blogger said...

Fed up- we had nearly 70 people last Thursday. I think the Chair and the TA will be as flexible as necessary to accommodate, but I have not personally heard anyone else that had issues with the start time.

Eric Taussig said...

While the start time may not be ideal, as I agree that 6 or 6:30 is not a great time for non-retirees, I do agree that 30 minutes for a hearing on a $6 million plus bond issue for a controversial community center is inadequate. I also am waiting to see the language of the warrant article , which is yet to be posted.

Fred Van Magness said...

While I understand the bonding question is a Town Meeting item, I do not understand why the BOS could not put a simple non binding question (assuming it in legal) on the upcoming formal town municipal ballot, such as: Do you support the town bonding up to $6.5M for a Community Center ? Yes / NO

At least it would give many more people one last chance to express their opinion and provide even more substantial guidance for Town Meeting. The more input the better in my opinion, especially now that there is a solid number out there. Instead, the town seems focused on what the building might look like. The real question is...Do people want to spend $6.5M based on need? Even asking this question at the upcoming Bond Hearing significantly limits the public input to folks who are around at the appointed time. The next logical question, if approved at Town Meeting, is what will the building look like and how will it function. Seems we are out of sync.

Anonymous said...

It has been on the blog before that you can't put it on the ballot.

Anonymous said...

The opposite is more reasonable. How much is the town willing to spend and build that not the 6miilions.

Put the Cart before the Horse said...

Fred, your right this Town's BoS seems to always put the cart before the horse!!

Of course, first pay for architects and designers before getting approval from the Town's voters at the Town Meeting.

Really smart.

Anonymous said...

This is the first time I have ever heard of a bond amount to approved in advance of a final design and firm estimates. Seems like a rush job to me. Will the wording of the warrant be borrow up to $6.5M for construction of a Community Center? I think the BOS want our unwavering trust that it will all work out in the end. I am not that trusting.

Moultonboro Blogger said...

Put the Cart- your " facts" are erroneous. Town meeting in 2014 appropriated funding for a site study and construction estimates.

Anon at 01:22 am- also not accurate. we do have firm estimates and it would cost about $300-400K to develop engineering and construction documents. It would not be a wise use of tax dollars to pay that much money if the voters don't approve the bond. No one is asking for your unwavering trust. All we are asking for is an up or down vote by the legislative body.

From: not part of connivers nor whiners LLC... said...

"The purposed of this session is to discuss the site, floorplan and design
of the proposed project ... and not to discuss/debate the pros or cons of
building the facility ... "

Read and weep! Don't like it, don't go.
Vote them out, if so inclined.

"... which will be discussed at the bond and budget hearings on February 4th, 2016."
Bring your whine to this meeting. This is a legal hearing. Surely, someone will bring the cheese.

Did you see Hope, or anyone else taking minutes, at the info meeting? NO, for a reason. She was there for the BoS meeting after, however. Think about it.

"If the project is approved at town meeting additional info sessions will
be held before a final design is determined."

AND, if there's any sanity, will determine how much of the bond needs to be spent. Complain about, who's going to determine, what will be built, that would determine the money spent. Yes ... a novel idea. Beats running into the same wall, and thinking there will be a different outcome.

The Bos and Recreation Gods, will have their own gym, if approved. The school system won't be bothered any more.

NO ... the school system and town recreation cannot be, legally, combined. They are, legally, separate governing bodies. At least, the BoS are, legally, suppose to be the supervisors of the Rec. Dept. If they have relegated the responsibility to the Rec Dept. then complain to them ... or vote them out.


Oh, that's right ... this is a Community Center, not a Gym.

It could be both!